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Triangle from Spider Guard | BJJ Submission | BJJ Graph

Oct 25, 202518 min read

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Purpose: Triangle from Spider Guard is an advanced blood choke submission that transitions from spider guard control. Setup requires more technical precision than standard closed guard triangle due to the open guard nature.

Setup Requirements Checklist:

  • Starting position: Spider Guard Bottom (S050) established
  • Position control quality: Both feet active in spider position with grips
  • Required grips: Collar and/or sleeve grips maintaining posture control
  • Angle optimization: Hip movement to create entry angle for triangle
  • Opponent vulnerability: Posture broken by spider pressure, arm isolated
  • Space elimination: Smooth transition from spider hooks to triangle lock
  • Timing recognition: Opponent reaches forward or posture breaks under spider pressure

Defense Awareness:

  • Early defense (spider guard active): 65% escape success - maintain distance, break grips
  • Transition phase (feet changing): 50% escape success - posture up, prevent leg positioning
  • Triangle locking (ankle behind knee): 35% escape success - stack, hand fighting
  • Inevitable submission (triangle tight, angle created): 0% escape → TAP IMMEDIATELY

Safety Q&A Patterns: Q: “How fast should pressure be applied?” A: “SLOW and progressive. Triangle should take minimum 3-5 seconds in training. More setup time than closed guard version due to transition complexity. Competition speed only in competition.”

Q: “What are the tap signals?” A: “Verbal ‘tap’, physical tap with free hand on opponent or mat, physical tap with feet. Ensure at least one arm remains free during transition.”

Q: “What makes this version different from closed guard triangle?” A: “Requires transition from spider hooks to triangle configuration. More technical setup but same finish. Distance management critical during transition. Opponent has brief escape window during foot transition.”

Q: “What are the injury risks?” A: “Same as standard triangle: Loss of consciousness in 3-8 seconds if held after tap. Neck strain if angle too sharp. Always release immediately upon tap.”

Decision Tree for Execution:

IF spider_guard_active AND opponent_arm_isolated AND grips_strong:
    → Attempt triangle transition (Success Rate: [skill_level]%)
ELIF transition_initiated AND leg_position_changing:
    → Continue smooth transition, maintain grip control
    → WATCH for opponent posture recovery
ELIF triangle_locked AND angle_created:
    → Apply progressive pressure (3-5 seconds)
    → WATCH FOR TAP CONTINUOUSLY
ELIF tap_signal_received:
    → RELEASE IMMEDIATELY per protocol
    → Monitor partner for consciousness
ELSE:
    → Maintain spider guard, wait for better opportunity

⚠️ SAFETY NOTICE

This submission can cause LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS if applied improperly or held after tap.

  • Injury Risks:
    • Loss of consciousness (3-8 seconds after full pressure)
    • Neck strain from improper angle
    • Potential neurological issues if held too long
  • Application Speed: SLOW and progressive. 3-5 seconds minimum from triangle lock to tap.
  • Tap Signals: Verbal “tap”, physical tap with free hand/feet on opponent or mat
  • Release Protocol:
    1. Release leg pressure immediately
    2. Open triangle completely
    3. Move to side to allow blood flow restoration
    4. Monitor partner for 10-15 seconds to ensure full consciousness
  • Training Requirement: Intermediate level with instructor supervision
  • Never: Hold after tap - unconsciousness occurs within seconds

Remember: Triangle from spider guard requires more complex setup than standard triangle. Ensure your partner is prepared for the transition and has clear tap access throughout.

Overview

The Triangle Choke from Spider Guard is an advanced submission that combines the distance control of spider guard with the finishing power of the triangle choke. This variation requires technical precision in transitioning from the open guard spider hooks to the closed triangle configuration while maintaining control throughout the setup phase.

From Spider Guard Bottom (S050), this triangle setup capitalizes on the posture-breaking pressure that spider guard naturally creates. When the opponent’s posture is compromised and an arm is isolated, the practitioner transitions one or both feet from spider hooks to triangle position, ultimately creating the same blood choke as the traditional closed guard triangle.

The key advantage of this variation is that it attacks from a distance-controlling position, making it less expected than the closed guard triangle. However, it requires more technical skill because the transition phase creates a brief window where the opponent can escape if the setup isn’t smooth.

Submission Properties

From Spider Guard Bottom (S050):

Success Rates:

  • Beginner: 25%
  • Intermediate: 45%
  • Advanced: 65%

Technical Characteristics:

  • Setup Complexity: High - requires smooth transition from spider to triangle
  • Execution Speed: Medium - additional setup time compared to closed guard version
  • Escape Difficulty: High - once triangle locked, escape options same as standard triangle
  • Damage Potential: Medium - can cause unconsciousness, neck strain
  • Target Area: Carotid arteries (both sides of neck)

Visual Finishing Sequence

From spider guard position with both feet active on your opponent’s biceps and collar/sleeve grips controlling their posture, you recognize an opportunity when their right arm extends too far forward. You transition your left foot from their right bicep to over their right shoulder, immediately bringing your right foot across to hook behind your left knee, creating the triangle lock. Your hips angle 45 degrees as you pull their head down with your grips while squeezing your knees together.

Your opponent experiences the same bilateral carotid compression as a traditional triangle, pressure building on both sides of their neck. Blood flow to the brain reduces rapidly. Recognizing the submission is locked and angle perfected, they tap repeatedly on your leg with their free left hand. You immediately release leg pressure, open the triangle, and move to the side while monitoring your partner’s consciousness and recovery.

Body Positioning:

  • Your position: On back with hips angled, triangle locked (ankle behind knee), shoulders on mat, pulling opponent’s head down
  • Opponent’s position: Posture broken forward, head pulled into triangle, right arm trapped inside with shoulder pressing against own neck, left arm free to tap
  • Key pressure points: Both carotid arteries compressed between your thigh/shin and their own shoulder
  • Leverage creation: Leg strength + pulling arms + hip angle create pressure, same mechanics as standard triangle

Setup Requirements

Conditions that must be satisfied before attempting:

  1. Position Establishment: Spider Guard Bottom (S050) with both feet active and grips controlling opponent

  2. Control Points:

    • Both feet in spider guard position (typically on biceps)
    • Collar grip and/or sleeve grips established
    • Opponent’s posture controlled by spider pressure
    • One opponent arm isolated and extended forward

  3. Angle Creation:

    • Hip mobility to transition feet smoothly
    • Space to bring leg over opponent’s shoulder
    • Ability to create 45-degree hip angle after triangle lock
    • Distance management during transition

  4. Grip Acquisition:

    • Collar grip for head control (preferred)
    • Sleeve grip on arm to be trapped
    • Ability to maintain grip control during foot transition
    • Head control secured before completing triangle

  5. Space Elimination:

    • Smooth transition from spider hooks to triangle position
    • Ankle locked behind knee without hesitation
    • No space between leg and opponent’s neck
    • Hip angle squeezing triangle closed

  6. Timing Recognition:

    • Opponent extends arm too far forward
    • Opponent’s posture breaks under spider pressure
    • Opponent’s weight shifts forward
    • Opponent makes arm positioning error

  7. Safety Verification:

    • Partner aware of triangle attempt during transition
    • At least one of partner’s limbs free to tap
    • Clear communication established
    • Verbal tap agreed upon as backup

Position Quality Required: Spider guard must be active with strong posture control. If opponent maintains distance and strong posture, triangle entry becomes very difficult.

Execution Steps

SAFETY REMINDER: Apply pressure SLOWLY over 3-5 seconds once triangle is locked. Watch for tap signals continuously. Monitor partner throughout transition and finishing phases.

Step-by-Step Execution

  1. Initial Setup (Spider Guard Phase)

    • Establish strong spider guard with both feet on opponent’s biceps
    • Secure collar grip with one hand, sleeve grip with other
    • Break opponent’s posture with spider pressure
    • Safety check: Ensure partner aware of active guard work

  2. Arm Isolation (Target Selection)

    • Identify opponent’s arm that extends too far forward (typically from posting)
    • Use sleeve grip to pull that arm across centerline
    • Simultaneously use collar grip to break posture further
    • Partner check: Confirm opponent’s other arm remains free

  3. Foot Transition (Critical Phase)

    • Remove foot from bicep on side of trapped arm
    • Quickly bring that leg high over opponent’s shoulder
    • Position shin across back of opponent’s neck
    • Maintain grip control throughout transition
    • Speed: Smooth but deliberate, not telegraphed

  4. Triangle Lock (Configuration Phase)

    • Bring second leg across to hook ankle behind first knee
    • Lock triangle configuration immediately
    • Adjust hip angle off centerline (45 degrees)
    • Verify trapped arm pulled tight against opponent’s neck
    • Watch for: Partner’s ability to tap remains clear

  5. Progressive Pressure (Execution Phase)

    • Squeeze knees together incrementally over 3-5 seconds
    • Pull opponent’s head down toward hip
    • Ensure no space exists in triangle lock
    • Monitor: Partner’s face color, breathing, tap signals
    • Speed: SLOW and progressive, never explosive

  6. Submission Recognition & Release (Finish/Safety Phase)

    • FEEL FOR TAP: Hand tapping leg, foot tapping mat, verbal “tap”
    • RELEASE IMMEDIATELY:
      • Stop squeezing legs instantly
      • Release head pull
      • Open triangle by unhooking ankle
      • Return to neutral position
    • Post-submission: Monitor partner for full consciousness, ask “you good?”

Total Execution Time in Training: Minimum 3-5 seconds from triangle lock to tap, plus 2-3 seconds for transition from spider guard.

Anatomical Targeting & Injury Awareness

Primary Target

  • Anatomical Structure: Bilateral carotid arteries (same as standard triangle)
  • Pressure Direction: Inward compression from thighs against neck
  • Physiological Response: Reduced blood flow to brain → lightheadedness → loss of consciousness (3-8 seconds)

INJURY RISKS & PREVENTION

Potential Injuries: (Same as standard triangle choke)

  • Loss of Consciousness: If held 3-8 seconds after full pressure. RELEASE IMMEDIATELY upon tap.
  • Neck Strain: Sharp angles or excessive pulling. Apply progressively, never explosively.
  • Neurological Issues: Rare complications from excessive carotid pressure. Always controlled application.

Prevention Measures:

  • Apply pressure SLOWLY and progressively (3-5 seconds minimum)
  • Never “spike” the triangle with explosive squeezing
  • Watch partner’s face/color continuously during application
  • Release immediately upon ANY tap signal
  • Extra attention during transition phase - partner more vulnerable
  • After release, monitor partner for 10-15 seconds

Warning Signs to Stop IMMEDIATELY:

  • Partner’s face color changes (redness → purple)
  • Partner’s body goes limp
  • Partner makes gurgling sounds
  • ANY uncertainty about partner’s consciousness
  • Partner doesn’t respond to verbal check

Opponent Defense Patterns

Common Escape Attempts

Early Defense (Spider Guard Phase - before transition)

  • Defense mechanism: Maintain distance, prevent arm isolation, break grips aggressively
  • Success Rate: 65%, Window: 4-5 seconds
  • Attacker response: Improve grip control, create more posture break, timing refinement
  • Safety note: Best defensive window - submission not yet initiated

Transition Defense (Foot changing from spider to triangle)

  • Defense mechanism: Explosive posture restoration, prevent leg from crossing shoulder, grip fighting
  • Success Rate: 50%, Window: 2-3 seconds
  • Attacker response: Maintain grip control, accelerate transition, commit fully
  • Safety critical: Key escape window - if opponent succeeds, return to spider guard

Triangle Lock Defense (After triangle configured)

  • Defense mechanism: Stack pass, posture explosion, hand fighting
  • Success Rate: 35%, Window: 1-2 seconds
  • Attacker response: Adjust angle immediately, pull head down, tight squeeze
  • Safety critical: Last moment before inevitable - proper stack might escape

Inevitable Submission (Triangle tight, angle created)

  • Defender must: TAP IMMEDIATELY - multiple taps on leg, mat, or verbal “tap”
  • Attacker must: RELEASE IMMEDIATELY upon feeling/hearing tap
  • Success Rate: 0% escape
  • Safety principle: NO SHAME IN TAPPING - unconsciousness occurs in 3-8 seconds

Training Progressions & Safety Protocols

Phase 1: Spider Guard Mastery (Week 1-4)

  • Develop strong spider guard control before attempting triangle
  • Practice maintaining posture control with spider hooks
  • Build grip strength and endurance
  • No triangle attempts yet

Phase 2: Transition Drills (Week 5-8)

  • Practice foot transitions from spider to triangle position without partner resistance
  • Work on smooth, non-telegraphed movement
  • Partner provides zero resistance during transition
  • Speed: EXTRA SLOW (15+ seconds per rep)
  • Goal: Build motor memory for transition mechanics

Phase 3: Controlled Setup (Week 9-12)

  • Partner provides mild resistance to spider guard
  • Practice recognizing arm isolation opportunities
  • Speed: SLOW transition, SLOW finish (10+ seconds total)
  • Partner taps at 30-40% triangle pressure
  • Instructor supervision required

Phase 4: Live Integration (Week 13+)

  • Integrate into light rolling
  • Speed: Moderate transition, controlled finish (6-8 seconds total)
  • Competition speed ONLY in competition
  • Develop sensitivity to transition timing
  • Always maintain safety protocols

Expert Insights

John Danaher Perspective

“The triangle from spider guard demonstrates the principle of distance management transitioning to control and finishing. Spider guard creates the initial conditions - broken posture and arm isolation - that make the triangle possible. The transition phase is critical: you must move your feet decisively from spider position to triangle configuration without losing the fundamental controls. Once the triangle is locked, the finishing mechanics are identical to the closed guard version. The angle remains the paramount detail.”

Key Technical Detail: Transition must be smooth and decisive - hesitation creates escape opportunities

Gordon Ryan Perspective

“In competition, the spider guard triangle catches people by surprise because they’re dealing with distance control and suddenly they’re in a finishing position. The setup time is longer than closed guard, but the opponent often doesn’t see it coming. I use strong collar grips to maintain head control during the transition - if you lose head control during foot movement, the whole thing falls apart. Once triangle is locked, finish the same way as any triangle: perfect angle, progressive pressure, watch for the tap.”

Competition Application: Element of surprise compensates for longer setup time

Eddie Bravo Perspective

“Spider guard to triangle is a beautiful technical flow when it works. We practice this in the gi extensively at 10th Planet - even though we’re known for no-gi, understanding gi mechanics helps overall game development. The transition requires confidence and commitment. If you hesitate halfway through, you’ll end up in no-man’s land and lose the position. Drill the movement pattern hundreds of times so when you see the opportunity, your body moves automatically. And remember: creative setups, standard safety protocols. Once that triangle locks, controlled finish every time.”

Innovation Focus: Drill transition pattern until automatic, maintain standard safety on finish

Common Errors

Technical Errors

Error 1: Telegraphing the Transition

  • Mistake: Slow, obvious foot movement giving opponent time to defend
  • Why it fails: Opponent recognizes triangle attempt and postures up or breaks grips
  • Correction: Decisive, smooth foot transition in one fluid motion
  • Safety impact: Longer transition time increases chance of losing control

Error 2: Losing Grip Control During Transition

  • Mistake: Releasing grips or weakening posture control while moving feet
  • Why it fails: Opponent recovers posture and escapes during transition window
  • Correction: Maintain strong collar and sleeve grips throughout foot movement
  • Safety impact: Position breakdown mid-transition can lead to scrambles

Error 3: Incomplete Triangle Lock

  • Mistake: Rushing to apply pressure before ankle fully secured behind knee
  • Why it fails: Loose triangle allows opponent to escape or defend
  • Correction: Ensure ankle is tight behind knee before attempting pressure
  • Safety impact: Loose lock tempts practitioners to over-compensate with force

Error 4: Wrong Hip Angle After Transition

  • Mistake: Not adjusting hips to 45-degree angle, staying flat on back
  • Why it fails: Angle is crucial for effective carotid compression
  • Correction: Immediately adjust hip angle after locking triangle
  • Safety impact: Poor angle leads to longer submission time and excessive force

SAFETY ERRORS (CRITICAL)

DANGER: Explosive Pressure During Transition

  • Mistake: Applying maximum pressure immediately upon locking triangle
  • Why dangerous: Partner may not have recognized triangle is locked yet
  • Injury risk: LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS without adequate tap window
  • Correction: Lock triangle, pause briefly, then apply progressive pressure over 3-5 seconds
  • Give partner time to recognize the position

DANGER: Ignoring Tap During Transition

  • Mistake: Missing tap signals while focused on transitioning feet
  • Why dangerous: Partner may tap early if uncomfortable during setup
  • Injury risk: Continuing technique after partner has submitted
  • Correction: Maintain awareness of partner’s state throughout transition
  • Partner may tap at any point - always be ready to stop

Variations & Setups

Primary Setup

From Spider Guard Bottom:

  • Both feet in spider position with collar and sleeve grips
  • Opponent posts right hand forward or extends arm
  • Transition left foot over right shoulder, right foot hooks behind left knee
  • Success rate: Beginner 25%, Intermediate 45%, Advanced 65%
  • Setup time: 3-4 seconds for transition, 3-5 seconds for finish

Alternative Setup: Single Spider to Triangle

From Spider Guard Bottom:

  • One foot on bicep, other on hip or floating
  • Use foot on bicep to break posture and isolate arm
  • Transition that foot to triangle position, second leg follows
  • Best for: Setting up from less committed spider guard
  • Safety notes: Requires strong single spider control

Gi vs No-Gi Considerations

Gi Version:

  • Collar grip provides excellent head control during transition
  • Sleeve grip prevents arm escape during setup
  • Spider hooks more effective with gi friction
  • Safety: Maintain grips throughout transition for control

No-Gi Version:

  • Much more difficult without gi grips
  • Requires different arm control (overhooks, wrist control)
  • Spider guard less stable without gi, making transition harder
  • Typically more effective to pursue standard closed guard triangle in no-gi

Knowledge Assessment

Question 1: Setup Recognition

Q: What distinguishes triangle from spider guard setup from standard closed guard triangle?

A: Spider guard triangle requires transition phase from open guard (spider hooks on biceps) to closed triangle configuration. Key differences: (1) Distance management during approach, (2) Smooth foot transition without losing control, (3) Grip maintenance throughout setup, (4) Opponent has escape window during transition that doesn’t exist in closed guard, (5) Requires stronger commitment to movement pattern. Starting position is Spider Guard Bottom vs Closed Guard Bottom.

Question 2: Critical Transition Phase

Q: What is the most vulnerable moment in spider guard triangle setup and why?

A: The moment when feet are transitioning from spider hooks to triangle position. During this 1-2 second window: (1) Spider guard pressure temporarily reduced, (2) Opponent can posture up if grips weaken, (3) Triangle not yet locked so opponent can escape, (4) Practitioner committed to movement and harder to recover if failed, (5) Requires decisive movement to minimize exposure. This is why grip control and smooth transition are critical.

Question 3: Safety Protocol

Q: What additional safety considerations exist for spider guard triangle vs standard triangle?

A: (1) Partner experiences position change from distance (spider) to close (triangle) - may not immediately recognize triangle threat, (2) Transition phase creates brief instability where partner may panic, (3) Practitioner must maintain awareness during transition - harder to monitor partner while moving feet, (4) Important to pause briefly after locking triangle before applying pressure - gives partner time to recognize position and prepare to tap, (5) Same finishing safety as standard triangle once locked.

Question 4: Grip Management

Q: How should grips be managed during foot transition from spider to triangle?

A: (1) Collar grip (if available) is priority - maintains head control throughout, (2) Sleeve grip on arm to be trapped must remain strong - prevents arm escape, (3) If choosing between grips, prioritize collar/head control, (4) Some practitioners release spider foot and immediately convert to two-hand head control, (5) Grip strength more important than specific configuration - whatever maintains posture control, (6) Never release all grips during transition - creates escape opportunity.

Question 5: Defense Recognition

Q: If you’re defending spider guard and recognize triangle setup, what’s the highest-percentage defense and when must it be executed?

A: Highest-percentage defense: Explosive posture restoration combined with grip breaking during transition phase when opponent’s feet are moving. Timing: Must execute during the 1-2 second window when feet are transitioning. Success rate: 50-55% if timed perfectly. Execution: Drive posture up, break collar grip aggressively, prevent leg from crossing shoulder. If too late: Once triangle is locked with angle created, defense success drops to near-zero - tap immediately. Key indicator: If you feel ankle lock behind opponent’s knee with no space, position is lost - tap to position, not to pain.

Question 6: Release Protocol

Q: What is the proper release sequence when partner taps to spider guard triangle?

A: (1) STOP all leg pressure immediately, (2) Release head pull/grips, (3) Unhook ankle from behind knee - open triangle, (4) Return feet to neutral position (not back to spider - creates space), (5) Move to side allowing partner to breathe/recover, (6) Monitor partner for 10-15 seconds - watch face color, consciousness, breathing, (7) Verbal check: “You good?”, (8) Watch for any signs of distress or disorientation. Total time: 3-5 seconds from tap to full separation. Critical: Spider guard version may disorient partner more due to position change - extra vigilance on monitoring.

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